Thursday, November 29, 2007

Video: Check and move

As a follow up to the posts, "Video: Three Opponent Strategy," and "Video: Checking your way to surviving multiple opponents," I'm posting this video on using the check, strike, and shield strategy mentioned in checking post. Critique, please!

Please notice that, though the defender is taken down, he doesn't let his assailants pin him, and he keeps trying to scramble. As I've mentioned many times, though, regardless of your ground skills, going down is a bad idea. What if there were broken glass or a concrete curb?


Bob Patterson said...

A few comments:

1) Man where do you guys train and do they know you are tearing the joint up?


2) Aside from your comment about curbs and glass it should be added that going to the ground with two attackers is bad. While you deal with one the other will put the boots too you!

This happened all the time in the prison I used to work in. (why do you think inmates bum rush other inmates or guards in groups of two or more?)

Your video looked like a very good controlled exercise that covered all ranges of combat. I really wish my school did more of this!

Nathan Teodoro said...

Hi Bob, thanks for the comments.

1. Right now I am dormant, but this was at the PD where I worked (as a civilain). They were kind enough to let us destroy the place every week.

2. Absolutely. I was in my comment about he the "broken glass or a concrete curb" I was only referring to the particular fall that I took. Unless you have the advantage of numbers, weapons, and cuffs, don't go to the ground.

About this type of training, it's absolutely necessary, I think for more realistic preparation for self-defense. I tried to make sure that we got as realistic as practical with everything.

At some point during these type of situations, you should introduce blades, clubs, and guns, too.

Rick Fryer said...

Wow, that looked real UGLY (off-balance at times, rough, imprecise, strained, un-polished, dirty, and raw)... in other words; AWESOME!

Real fighting isn't pretty and you know that your practice imitates reality when you don't look good doing it. (There's so many demos out there with people throwing 'perfect' techniques with perfectly controled kicks and punches, beautiful throws, and pretty joint locks... true confrontations almost never look like that.)

I really, really like your practice. (Especially pulling one opponent over his 'downed' buddy - NICE.)

I think you're absolutely right about the dangers of going to the ground, but in my experience, many martial artists have a bad habit of taking their opponents down and wrestling with them there. Not a good idea if you have to deal with more than one person.

I also agree with Patterson; It looks like you guy are really 'tearing up' that room. Hope you don't upset the local law enforcement - might find yourself with a lot of speeding tickets in your new town!

Anyway, please keep up the great videos.



little cricket said...

Hi Nathan,

Just stopped by to check out your blog (lots of things to read, yay!) and say thanks for the message you left on mine.

little cricket

MARKS said...

Its good to see practical "one vs many training" Although it dosent look as good as a jet li movie it is more realistic and closer to how real fights would be. Being so much different to normal one on one sparring, it is something that many martial artists should practice. good post!

Colin Wee said...

We use a similar multiple person exercise frequently - lately more for warmups than integrated with sparring (for our beginners).

The shielding with another opponent is one of our main objectives. It seems your guy could benefit to apply greater control on the shield.

Love the special effects from the curtains!!! :-)


Nathan Teodoro said...

I've actually gotten some great feedback on this video, and have to make a couple of new comments

1) Real fights have no patterns and rules. This drill simulates an empty hand attack by two, and one defender. Disclosure: the defender was me, and the attackers were two students/training partners. This is not a "real" fight, but gets close. The points about it being "ugly" are well-taken. That's just how it is.

2) On shielding - That wasn't my goal in this drill, but I am very good at it under the following circumstances: stand-up striking only, as Colin's comment references. When I got out of the stand-up only school of thought, I decided to see what would happen if you allow the attacker to grab too. I have reams of video with examples of that, as we made that a regular drill. In this case, I was trying to avoid, not engage, but was unsuccessful.

My best advice: Drill the separate aspects. Post is forthcoming! Thanks for the feedback.

Colin Wee said...

Nat - the following is a recent repost and a follow up to our original posts: Multiple Opponent Sparring Drill.